Philip Speaks With Kyle Hebert and Desiree Wibright
Ep. 13

Philip Speaks With Kyle Hebert and Desiree Wibright

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Philip speaks with Kyle Hebert and Desiree Wibright about the To Good For Drugs program.

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Greetings and welcome to the Here We Stand podcast.

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We're coming to you from the studios in what RC

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Spro used to call the Northex of Providence Baptist Church.

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I'm here today with my fellow elder and producer Roger

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Dale Peters, and we have a very special show for you today,

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a very 2 very special guests.

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We have a former guest on our show, Kyle Abear,

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and a lot of you who are watching No Kyle.

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Kyle is the chaplain at the Livingston Parish Prison.

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He also works at Deltak, and he

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runs a program that's called the family approach,

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inmate, reentry, and rehab program.

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It is a fantastic program to help guys who

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are inside the prisons at the Livingston Parish prison.

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Get them back on their feet.

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Once their time is up and really to give them good godly

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counsel on what it means to be a Christian.

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And we've talked about this before on our podcast, but

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for today, what we want to focus on is his

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absolute 1st cousin,

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Desiree Wybright.

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Have I got that name right, Desiree?

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Very good.

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And she is a prevention specialist

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with the 2 good for drugs program in the St.

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Bernard Parish community school system.

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Now, this is, I've been learning about this today.

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This is a fantastic program that

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is geared toward children in the public school system at

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the high school age, the 1415 range.

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And what I'm going to do today is just get Desiree

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to tell us a little bit about the program, and then

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she and Kyle are going to have some interaction together because

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this is going to be geared toward the kids that

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she's going to be ministering to in this program.

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So Desiree, if you could, just tell us a little

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bit about the program too good for drugs.

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Okay, it's focused on the ninth grade students.

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That's what I work with and specialize in at the time.

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And, um, we're trying to bring information

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to the students to help them

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make better choices at 14 and 15 years old.

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Um, they tend to veer away,

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um, from doing the right thing and making right choices.

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Sometimes they get caught up in, um, you

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know, following someone else, peer pressure and issues

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that they may be dealing with at home or in school or with

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siblings, family members.

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It could be any best of things.

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And we, um, promote

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them and try to encourage them to

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make the right choices, to know that their choices are,

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um, what matters and that it becomes

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something that becomes themselves and what their future may be.

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And um, we bring in guest speakers and we

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speak to them for about 2 weeks.

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Um, and it's not 2 weeks straight.

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It's kind of broken off to give them a little bit of a break in between.

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And, um, You know, we

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basically trying to just make a difference in their lives by bringing

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in information that they can utilize that they can relate to

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and that they can remember and carry with

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them for the rest of their life.

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That is so awesome.

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And so you get 2 weeks in a school year

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and you just break it up in different sessions.

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Right.

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So we do it in 2 semesters, actually.

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So twice.

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We do a dorn there.

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PE class so that we don't disrupt

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their regular school day.

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Not that PE is not as important, but we really don't have a lot of time.

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during school.

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Um, and that's why we do break it up so that,

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for example, one of their, their, uh, weeks may look like um, Tuesday.

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We may meet with them on Tuesday during their PE

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class, and then we don't see them again until the following week,

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maybe on a Wednesday.

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You know, on Thursday.

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And you've had like the sheriff of St.

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Bernard Parish, the Crinker.

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And so how long have you been doing this?

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Is this just started this year?

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Started about 5 years ago.

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And I have been in the program 4.5 of those five.

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And like you said, the sheriff has been our speaker

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each time he's been there from the beginning and he still exists today.

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And, um, we also have somebody like the district attorney

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may come in and speak to them about, you

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know, what could happen in dangers.

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You know, it could be the parish president, for example, people

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like that that are in positions that they

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wouldn't ordinarily get to meet or sit at a table with.

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So we do, um, bring in, you know, people like

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that, you know, we have a pastor that's in one of our local churches

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that comes in and speaks about his story and tells, um,

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things that relate to these children, you know, to try to help them.

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And also somebody that's not from our area that, um,

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has a story like Kyle, um,

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but, you know, spiraled out of control and his story

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hopefully can help the kids relate and understand what not to do.

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Right, right.

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And I think it's so great that St.

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Bernard Parish has community leaders that are willing

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to come and do things like this to help the children in their own community.

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That is very rare.

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And we need so much more of this in our day of

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today with so many distractions and things that

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the kids have to deal with, temptations that they have to deal

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with that we didn't in our generation even have to even think about.

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We didn't even consider the things we see going on today would even be a thing.

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And now these kids are just bombarded with stuff in the world.

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So I really, really love to hear about this program.

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And I think what we would like to do is for

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you to talk with Kyle here about, you're his 1st cousin.

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That's correct.

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So you've known Kyle all of his life, right?

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And so talk a little bit about your childhood growing

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up and then kind of talk to Kyle about

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the story of what happened when things went wrong and

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then leading up to when you met him in Angola.

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Okay, so um, we are almost

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exactly the same age.

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Our birthdays are about a month apart, and we're 1st cousins.

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Our fathers, our brothers, and um, we

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both grew up in the same area, same parish of St.

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And um, We were pretty close.

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We'd see each other for sure every Sunday for

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dinner at our mama.

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What was her name?

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Mama, da da.

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Yeah, I like that.

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So she lived in Violet, and we both lived in Shelmat,

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and, um, we would get to gather at a very large family,

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and, um, our parents, our, um, one

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of 12 kids.

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Anyway, so we had a lot of cousins and it was very nice to get together and

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so we'd see each other on a regular basis and because we're about the same age, we

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would, um, also be in the same circle

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with different things that we may do, you know, maybe a party or a gathering.

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And, um, you know, he went to Shalmet High School.

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I went to Andrew Jackson, both in school.

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So you weren't in Shao Mation.

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I was.

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Okay, okay.

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He was too.

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Okay, well leading up to that.

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Yeah, so, um, you know, and at the time, they are

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in Shalmed High and it's a co-ed school.

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But when we went to school, the high school was separated.

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That's what sparked you to question that.

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So Andrew Jackson was the girls' school.

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And he was at the boys' school, which was Shamat High as it is today.

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And, um, I was a cheerleader at Shalmat

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High, but the girls, for the

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school, like, you know, they took the girls from the girls' school to

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do the, you know, the Shelmat High things, you know,

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yeah, for football and, you know, whatever it might have been,

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you know, basketball or what have you.

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So anyway, we, um, you know, we were close.

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We grew up, you know, as young cousins and friends pretty much.

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And, um, I have siblings and he has a sibling

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and so, you know, we, we encountered each other on a regular basis and everything was fine.

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He was a great kid.

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Um, good kid until he wasn't

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good anymore, which I will.

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I guess like you...

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Yeah, well, something, but something happened to Kyle.

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early on in his life.

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Do you remember that?

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I do.

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Um, I didn't know if you wanted to talk about that or do you want me to?

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Yeah.

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Tell the story real quick and you can kind of talk a little bit about that.

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Yeah, I was raised with a precious mother

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and father, you know, her aunt and uncle and very

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moral and my daddy was an engineer, mother of school teacher.

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And let me tell you, my daddy, uh, Johnny, would

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do virtually anything for his bride.

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And whenever my mom wanted something completed

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at the house, he jumped on it in this particular time, 1970,

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I'm 5 years old, and I love being with my dad, and

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he taught me a lot of vocational skills, and I hungered for that.

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And I fed off of all of that.

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But uh, one November in 1970 remodeling

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the kitchen, uh, it was late at night.

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He was very tired.

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He left the pilot light on the gas stove while installing.

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For mica countertops.

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The glue is highly flammable.

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And lo and behold, the air fuel mixture was

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atrocious, and it went off like an atomic bomb, sent

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him and I uh, into hospital

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for, I was there almost a year, year and 8 months.

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46 major operations,

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daddy, about six, 7 months.

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But, uh, my mom had, uh, just, you

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know, basic burns because she ran in the house and and actually

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used her body to extinguish the fire of her 5 year old.

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Talk about the love of a mother.

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And so that created in me a heart that was,

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you know, just an angry kid, you know, and, you know, we had talked about this.

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Verbally, I was getting abused by

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the kids, and I didn't react accordingly.

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Once I got back to school.

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They let me back and I had to sit in a room by myself because of germs.

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So you're like in 1st grade at this point?

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Yeah, you know, I'm finishing up kindergarten 1st grade

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and, you know, I'm still going through the surgeries.

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So I had to be apart from the students because of germs.

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And so kids would come look in the window and gawk

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at me and I'm sure a lot of this, you know, was my own imagination

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until they would verbally say something to me.

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And I always said to myself, you know, when I get out this room, I'm going to get out there on

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the, on the, on the, on the wreck yard and I'm going to,

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I'm going to fight them.

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I'm going to beat them up.

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And I can remember getting so angry, y'all, that I would smell blood.

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And so, lo and behold, when I did get

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out that classroom and was able to, you know, interact with

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the other children, I was fighting every day, uh, until,

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uh, my mother who worked for the school, uh, also,

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um, you know, and she was close with everybody at CF Raleigh.

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You know, she got with my dad, said, we got to do something with him because he's

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going to get kicked out of school and I, you know, I deserve that.

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But, um, I was, I was a good

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student until I wasn't a good student.

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And so the fighting had to stop and again,

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I was raising a very moral home.

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Um, they were, not real church goers.

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But just really good moral people, and

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their answer was, hey, let's put him in sports.

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And so football was the sport of my

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choice, and I excelled in it and loved

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it, and not only did it, it helped me with

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building community and being a team player.

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But my grades began to skyrocket.

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You remember that?

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And so, yeah, about, you know, coach Ronnie Cornick

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at, at Chum at middle school and, you know, they, they

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poured their lives into me.

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I went from defense.

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We came a running back and a pretty good one.

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You know, I get broke some records.

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Broke some.

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Well, yeah, when I got to Shelmet, you know, I broke several records.

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Um, and it was a, it was a blessing, you know,

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I, I was under Coach Chemento, Ronnie, you know, Ronnie Chemento,

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and, uh, You know, the, I

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carried a 4.0 grade, a GPA.

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You know, you had to make the grade to play football.

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So in that sense, my mother and father was

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right, you know, put me in sports.

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And, uh, Let me

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tell you, I became the, uh,

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The poster boy, you

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know, at Shelmet High, you know, because I had to actually come

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out of a wheelchair, you know, and from a wheelchair to

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running a football and having a 1000 yard rushing season.

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I had a couple of them, and making a

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grade, 4.0 GPA, and I wasn't, you know, I was, I was planning on college.

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You know, so, you know, between, and

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from 5th grade, till 12th grade, I mean,

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I was the, the stall athlete, and you're

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the cheerleader, cheerleader, and

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yeah, you know, Desiree was there for all of that.

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And um, It was a blessing.

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I loved school.

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I enjoyed football.

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I enjoyed community.

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I enjoyed making the grade, preparing for college, and some,

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you know, UL was looking at me, and I even went on

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campus until 19, you know, 1983, my senior year.

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You know, I, you know, I never, I can never, ever, remember

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a practice, our game

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that my father was not there.

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My father was my rock.

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And we was close.

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You know, he actually became, you know, my idol, you know,

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my little G god, and I love daddy.

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And, uh, 1983.

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you know, after, you know, we, we, we just beat St.

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Auld in the Superdome.

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It was the big one.

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We had devil beat St.

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So my, you know, 1983 is the 1st year.

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We have a beat.

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St.

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I was toting a rock in that, toting a rock.

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I ran a punt back in that game, won the game.

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And it was it was solid, you know.

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And let me tell you, we

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was ha- even my brother John, you know, he was even happy that night,

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and I was like, man, I need to do that more often, you know?

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I love my brother.

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And your dad had to be just bursting.

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Oh, he was.

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And he had to talk with me, you know, look, at night,

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had to talk, like, you know, your future's here.

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You know, you do.

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I'm proud of you.

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You know, we get ready to step into the next chapter.

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You know, I was going to go to UL to be forestry for forestry.

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I wanted to, you know, really, you know, get into agriculture and

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everything and dealing with these, you know, these, these,

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all these, these state parks and everything.

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And uh, I had my heart set on that and uh,

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that night, my dad went to sleep.

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And I, you know, I never heard my mother and father argue.

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If they argue, and I'm sure like every other couple, they did.

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They was private about that, you know?

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Um, We didn't have the perfect family, but it

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was, it was calm at the house.

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You know, my mom was a rowdy woman, but, you know, you knew she loved you.

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You know, wasn't, it wasn't, you know, punitive.

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It was purifying.

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And I loved that about my mom.

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But I heard her yelling, screaming.

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But it wasn't an argument.

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It was, Fear, terror.

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Me and my brother John come running out of our room, and as I got closer

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to their bedroom, I could hear daddy's dad, daddy's dad.

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And my life changed.

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That very night.

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That very night.

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And, um, so I, you know, from,

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you know, kindergarten, 1st grade, the fighting, and then

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I went from like 5th grade all the way to 12th grade.

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Not a mark.

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I mean, just your your poster boy, kid,

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teenager, got a future, gonna go to college,

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and then daddy.

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Tragedy.

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Tragedy.

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And that's where the bottom fell out.

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And I started running with the wolves.

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I don't know any other way to put it.

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And uh, matter of fact, I walked away from school and

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Miss uh, Cheryl Molair, uh,

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was one of my teachers that really poured

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in in, uh, you know, Miss Debbie Godey,

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uh, 2 those 2 teachers begged me to come back to school.

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I had perfect attendance from 5th grade

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to 12th grade.

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I started missing school in 12th, you know, right after daddy died.

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You know, I didn't even cry at the funeral and I didn't go back to school and

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mama couldn't handle me.

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And so I would go back.

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Look, I had a 4 row, but it dropped to like a 3635.

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I still graduated with the ropes, but I didn't graduate

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number one in my class.

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I had the scholastic award locked in and everything.

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I lost all of that.

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But I didn't, I threw the football helmet down and

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picked up a biker helmet, and you know, Desiree can tell you, that's,

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I started doing drugs for the 1st time, really drinking.

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Um, and running with women and uh,

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being abusive and I got, I got arrested

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for the 1st time at 17.

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And, and look, Judge Garmody.

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Judge Garbody was dead and he's like, what is wrong with you?

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You know?

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And, well, let me tell you, Judge Garbert, he did his job, you

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know, and I was grateful for that.

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Um, He said,

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I'm not going to stand on a soapbox, you know, you, you got to, you're

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going to straighten up, but I didn't listen.

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I didn't listen.

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So drinking and drugging and and partying

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and starting to get arrested.

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So from 1983 to

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1999.

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I wound up with 97 arrests and

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full felony convictions.

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And look, in between that, there was people that came up to me and said,

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hey, you know, you need, you need AA.

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You need NA. and and I would look them in I and

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say, I don't want to hear nothing about no AA,

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no NA.

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The only thing I know is the DA.

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That's right

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Getting to know him pretty well.

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Very well.

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And it was not a pretty

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sight because in, you know, the culmination,

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in destruction of this downward

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spiral to hell, and me

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destroying my family, all my relationships.

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Led to me coming home in 1999.

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And I don't blame the alcohol.

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I don't blame the drugs.

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I don't blame the police department.

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I don't blame the DA.

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I blame myself.

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I came home and beat up my 72 year old aunt and

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my mother witnessed it.

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And it was at that point.

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That my mama said, you are not welcome at this house anymore.

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Because let me tell you, mama enabled

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me a lot from 83 to 99.

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Mamas do that.

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Mamas love their boys, especially they're bad boys.

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And there was nothing that woman wouldn't do for me.

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Nanny forgave me.

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She didn't even flinch.

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Her message to me was, you need to get straight.

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I'm gonna love you.

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And I forgive you.

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Nanny looked me in the eye.

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I was broken behind that.

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And I can never remember a time.

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Let me tell you, Sheriff Pullman, who has been in my life.

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You know, he went to, The Promised Land Academy and

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they was trying to get me to go play ball at Promised Land.

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I stayed at Chowmet and he'll tell you that story.

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He's trying to recruit me.

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I was going to play ball with them because he played ball.

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But me and Sheryl Pullman was like that.

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That man, never stopped loving me.

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But let me tell you, he knew what it was going to take.

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But I can never remember an arrest.

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That Sheriff Pullman didn't show up.

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And I asked him that the last time I was down there with y'all, Desirect.

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I said, why you always showed up at the at the arrest?

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He said to make sure nobody killed you.

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Oh, so when it,

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Desiree, let me let me ask you real quick.

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Uh, so, you were with Kyle on

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this tremendous 5th grade to 12th grade, Joe, 4.0

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football star, hit to the biggest game in Shalmette history.

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Maybe it's up to that point at least against St.

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Ogg and the whole 9 yards and the down, then the tragedy strikes.

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And then from your vantage point, tell

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us a little bit about what you saw Kyle spiraling into at

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that point before he gets to to prison.

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He was

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out of control, you know, somebody that we didn't recognize and,

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you know, we had to, um, deal

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with the death of our uncle, you know, because that probably

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was one of the 1st ones that passed away.

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I don't remember.

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Um, but anyway, um, he

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was one of the 1st ones that passed away.

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So I think it struck us kind of, you know, sudden

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and odd and, um, it,

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you know, hurt me for a while because, you know,

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we were close to him and everything.

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And my dad and, you know, just to deal with a death,

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it was just a little crazy because I was a guest, same age then.

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I was a senior in high school.

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And so, um, I can

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just remember, like, I don't remember little details, you know, like crazy,

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but I do remember things because I was busy, you know, being a

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senior myself and, you know, doing my next steps and

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stuff for school and all.

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Um, I would hear things that the family would say or

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I would witness some things that he would do.

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Like he saw it swiped my mom's car that

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was parked in front of the street.

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Um, and, you know, and I was like, you

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know, unbelievable, like, why would he do that?

20:52

Or how did he do that?

20:53

Like what was going on, that he would sideswipe on a regular boulevard.

20:56

Like, what could he have been doing?

20:58

You know, um, little things like that and then like

21:01

you'd hear stuff, you know, you'd hear the chatter.

21:03

You know, somebody might have been gossiping about something that he

21:06

did because it was, it was kind of unprecedented and weird.

21:09

Yeah, because there's a total flip of what he was in high school.

21:14

And so, you know, I went through all of that.

21:18

And then, you know, of course, the story's going to go on and explain the details,

21:21

but, um, I kind of, I think, stepped

21:24

away from all that because that wasn't anything that I was, you know, going to be involved in.

21:29

And he wouldn't have expected me to, you know?

21:31

But he was around my age and he lives in our community and

21:34

he, you know, was with other friends and stuff.

21:37

So I watched it go on, you know?

21:40

And there really wasn't anything you felt like you could do in that situation.

21:43

No, I wouldn't listen.

21:44

Right.

21:44

You wasn't going to listen anyway.

21:45

So then, Kyle, this leads up to this event leads

21:49

up to, of course, you getting to Angola.

21:52

And so tell us a little bit about that.

21:54

And then I want to lead up to when you see

21:57

him, Desiree, for the 1st time when you go to the.

22:01

But you remember, you had somebody at your house when

22:04

the, so start from there when you

22:07

got arrested after you beat up aunt.

22:11

Remember you were at the

22:14

house and you had a girlfriend.

22:15

Oh, yeah, something.

22:16

Oh, yeah, Susan, which that this is all.

22:18

Yeah, I had, I had Susan staying with me, a, a matter of fact,

22:22

a young lady that I had met while I was in San

22:25

Benoit Parish, and I, I brought her home, but

22:28

she was there at the house when

22:31

I beat up my, my nanny.

22:33

And so, Really, the

22:36

argument started with her and I, and so she

22:39

got the brunt of it when I pulled in that evening,

22:42

I was at Lehman's Bar, and we were shooting pool.

22:45

But the fight that that started at Lehman's

22:48

Ball, I brought it home and Susan and I

22:51

was all in and and and fighting and then it let up

22:54

my my nanny comes outside to try to break us up.

22:58

And then tell me that the truck was overheating.

23:01

And I didn't find out none of that until later.

23:03

She never mentioned that to me.

23:05

And so, It would

23:08

be from, from that incident, it would be 11 days later.

23:12

And I'm going to school for the local

23:15

11 sheet metal union, which I now work with at Delta.

23:19

And we'll talk a little bit about that in a minute.

23:22

But 11 days later, I'm coming home back.

23:26

I'm still living at the house and my mama didn't want me around,

23:29

but she let me stay there and, you know, until I found my own place.

23:33

So 11 days later, I see, I'm, I'm coming

23:36

down Shangri-La.

23:37

And there's police calls on both sides of the street.

23:40

And I, you know, my self centered

23:43

self says, oh, somebody's in trouble.

23:45

Little did I know.

23:49

And this is the grace of God, y'all.

23:51

The neighbor saw my nanny bruised up.

23:54

Because you hit a 72 year old.

23:56

They bruised pretty easy.

23:57

And she was sitting on the porch.

23:59

And the neighbor, man, God sovereignly used that neighbor.

24:03

To call the police.

24:05

And that night, A

24:09

miracle transpired and and Sheriff Pullman was there.

24:12

Um, when I pulled in the driveway, all

24:15

I heard was the guns clicking.

24:17

Get out the, you know, put your hands up.

24:20

But there was a, it was a freedom in me that I had never felt.

24:23

You know, what I didn't mention was

24:27

doing those escapades of me partying and and

24:30

hanging at auctioneer.

24:32

They would have, Kids that

24:35

would, you know, from the various churches.

24:37

That would, you know, be coming around and sharing the gospel.

24:40

I've never had anything against Christians.

24:43

Just didn't want to be one.

24:45

Right, didn't want to hear it.

24:47

Didn't want to hear it.

24:48

Yeah, but I was nice to him.

24:50

I thought they were doing a good thing.

24:52

Yeah.

24:53

And I would even go as far as allowing

24:56

them to pray with me.

24:58

But little did I know, seeds were being planted.

25:02

You know, they share the gospel.

25:05

I'd hear this, you know, and, you know, there

25:09

was no illumination, but, you know, the,

25:12

the information was in there.

25:13

The information was there, the soil was being in this,

25:17

and let me tell you, when I, when I beat up nanny,

25:19

My, my, my, aunt anime.

25:21

I was broken.

25:23

by the humility of that, and it was, and and let

25:27

me tell you, God convicted me, but I couldn't put words to any of that.

25:31

But on August 19th, 1999,

25:34

when the Saint Menard parish sheriff's department came and did their job,

25:37

after the neighbor made the phone call and

25:40

they put me in the back seat of that Saint Bernard sheriff's

25:43

police call, I was free.

25:45

And I said to myself, I'm never coming back.

25:47

To this home.

25:49

And lo and behold, I wouldn't.

25:51

But I was like a wild animal that was finally caged and now calmed.

25:55

And when they brought me to the same Bernard lockup

25:58

for the 1st time and that cell door shut, it went off like a church bell.

26:02

My eyes were opened.

26:04

I got saved in the back seat of a police call.

26:06

So I'm grateful for the sheriff's office.

26:09

God sovereignly using Sheriff Pullman and

26:12

his group, you know, and all the, you know, the judges and

26:15

the DAs that, you know, did their job.

26:18

And so, and, and, from me

26:21

walking out that cell and going in a dorm, in

26:24

the parish jail for the 1st time.

26:26

I'm now looking for a Bible.

26:27

I didn't, I wasn't, I wasn't looking for God.

26:30

But God found me.

26:32

And so now my heart and eyes open, and lo

26:35

and behold, he would send individuals, and I begin studying the word.

26:39

When I went to my 1st court here and I told Judge Garbardy.

26:42

Well, I asked him, you don't tell Judge Gorbi anything, you ask.

26:45

I said, can I go ahead and plead guilty now, but he wouldn't let me.

26:49

But he would eventually.

26:52

And for the 1st time in my life, y'all took responsibility.

26:55

And so, and the latter

26:59

part of 99 and then early 2000, I pled guilty.

27:03

And rightly so, you know, should

27:06

have got a life sentence.

27:07

Judge Galbi gave me 40 years.

27:08

Well, I gave myself 40 years.

27:10

He was just abiding by the law.

27:12

And 40 years wouldn't normally

27:15

send you to the Louisiana State penitentiary, usually

27:18

send you to hunt DCI or one of the smaller prisons,

27:22

but I was blessed to go through the

27:25

front gates of the Louisiana State penitentiary, which became

27:28

the land of new beginnings for me.

27:30

Because, you know, God is sovereign.

27:32

And, you know, all those skill sets that my dad was teaching me,

27:36

I would be able to utilize them as a trustee,

27:39

Morgan Kane is building a chapel in Angola

27:42

and needed an air conditioned duck guy.

27:44

I'd just come through the local 11 sheet metal union apprenticeship.

27:48

I can build ducks.

27:49

And so, and they put a young man with me, Ronald Edison,

27:52

who's the janitor cleaning up all my metal, walked in as a trustee.

27:58

one came, put me at your game.

27:59

Never happened.

28:00

You usually got to do field time.

28:01

God was taking care of me right off the bat.

28:03

And, um, you know, my family, rightly

28:07

so, had turned from me.

28:09

Um, and I don't blame him.

28:11

No communication.

28:12

None.

28:13

So it's just me and God.

28:14

So I'm studying the word.

28:16

I'm working, Warden Kane, Warden, Venoy, give me a job at Camp D.

28:19

I'm a trustee.

28:20

I'm putting in all the air conditioned duct work, puts

28:23

a young man, Ronald Edison, who's a pastor from Slidell,

28:26

who pulls an armed robbery, and he's teaching me the Bible.

28:29

Come on now.

28:30

And so, boy, Kane says, Kyle, you do

28:33

a good job on this chapel, I'll put you anywhere you want in the prison.

28:37

Well, I'm not sure where to go, but Ronald's like, hey,

28:40

man, we need to go to the main prison.

28:41

It's kind of like Jerusalem.

28:42

You got all the programs and everything.

28:45

But little did I know.

28:46

Warren Kane says, well, where you want to work?

28:48

Put me in maintenance.

28:49

God turns the heart

28:52

of the king, whichever way, like rivers of water, takes warden

28:55

Kane's heart and bends him, he puts me in maintenance, all right.

28:58

Maintenance worker of the New Orleans Baptist

29:01

Theological Seminary.

29:02

What a coincidence, right?

29:05

Divine appointment, brother.

29:08

And so I'm in hearing all this theology and

29:11

and so let me tell y'all, you know, for me, prison was a mercy.

29:15

And so I'm grateful for, you know, everyone who

29:18

was, you know, involved, you know, in doing their job, arresting

29:22

me, sentencing me, and sending me where I,

29:25

I deserve to have never come home.

29:27

And, um, and being in that that

29:30

Bible college, I found out quickly, I had a calling on my life.

29:33

And so I would go through the 4 year program that I

29:36

get my MDiv.

29:37

And then meanwhile, I find out that prior to my arrest.

29:41

I am.

29:42

And at spring break, and I meet a girl, Melissa.

29:46

Who's running from her husband, she's married,

29:49

but we meet the elevator, one night stand.

29:53

I get her pregnant.

29:55

Oh, no, I get her pregnant, and then I come back the same, but no,

29:57

she stays in Panama City, gets back with her husband.

30:01

Has to tell him.

30:03

I'm pregnant from some guy from Louisiana from

30:07

Camp D.

30:08

God again.

30:12

Sovereign.

30:13

You know what that husband says?

30:15

He needs to be a part of that baby's life.

30:18

And so she gets in touch with me, sends me a picture.

30:21

Very rare, you know, only when God's involved.

30:24

And so I get to raise my son Matthew from prison.

30:27

And again, it's just me.

30:29

Old was Matthew when you met him.

30:30

Nine.

30:31

Nine years old. when you found out you had...

30:33

He was he was 2 weeks old when I learned of him.

30:36

So I would be early?

30:38

He's always known.

30:39

He's always known his daddy.

30:40

I spoke with mama and grandma, more grandma,

30:43

Peggy than mama, but me and Peggy got real close.

30:47

Her grandma, my son's grandma.

30:50

And so, and then, you know, Kim Martin,

30:53

who's a friend of mine, Jack Martin's.

30:56

sister, she

30:59

pulled into my life and she financially paid because I didn't have no family.

31:03

I didn't get no money.

31:05

You know, I mean, I got, I got, you know, commissary was low.

31:09

It was low.

31:10

Yeah, I got full cents, you know, at work.

31:12

You know, for working that I got my raised to ¢8.

31:15

And then when I became a mentor, I got ¢35.

31:18

Big roller.

31:20

Yeah, but so long story short, though, Kim paid for

31:23

all my, my phone bills and everything.

31:26

She wanted me to be a father to my son, right?

31:28

Unlike my dad, uh, you know, taught me some really

31:31

great stuff occasionally and morally.

31:33

I raised my son in the word.

31:35

In the word of God, fully in the word of God.

31:38

And today, you know, well, Matthew has graduated from Wheaton College with

31:42

his MDiv, and he's now in New York in his

31:45

2nd year law school.

31:46

So he, yeah, we got a, we got a young conservative coming out of that.

31:51

loves Trump.

31:52

I can't wait to the meeting.

31:54

So real quick, because we got to get to the question, the Q and A time.

31:57

But just could you tell me kind of what led up to you going to

32:01

the rodeo that day and how you met back up with Kyle real quick?

32:04

So another coincidence if there's anything...

32:08

No such thing, a luck chance or coincidence, only God's probability.

32:10

That's right, man.

32:11

That's right.

32:12

So my son worked for an electrical

32:15

company, and he's an electrician, and he's, um, I

32:19

guess, um, put on that job and Angola.

32:23

I'm not really sure how you guys made the connection or knew how

32:27

did he realize who you were or how did that go, 1st of all?

32:30

I was part of the angle light, the prison magazine.

32:32

And I was doing a story on the reconstruction and

32:36

the renewing of the kitchen.

32:39

And so I'm interviewing the workers

32:42

and I run into your son.

32:44

Divine appointment.

32:46

And he's like, you're...

32:48

are you?

32:49

I'm Kali bear.

32:51

My mama's an A-Bear.

32:53

Who's your mama?

32:54

Desiree.

32:55

From where?

32:56

I said, come here, boy.

32:58

I gave him a hug.

32:59

I kissed him too.

33:00

And we connected.

33:01

I mean, it was like him and I had never been apart.

33:04

Yeah, it's my blood.

33:06

I mean, that's that was like my son.

33:08

It would have to be a unique connection there.

33:10

Oh, so does he come home and tell you, hey, mom, guess what?

33:12

Yeah, I just don't remember the detail like that.

33:15

That's why I wanted to ask you.

33:16

I didn't remember that.

33:17

I might have maybe heard it, but I was like so freaked out.

33:21

I didn't remember.

33:23

It was precious.

33:24

But anyway, so not too long after that, I

33:27

went to the rodeo.

33:28

And we brought, I think,

33:32

I can't remember who went with us, but we had like a little with us.

33:34

Yeah, you had your crew?

33:35

Yeah, but it might have been like one of my grandbabies.

33:38

if I'm not mistaken.

33:40

And we went up there and went to the rodeo.

33:43

Well, it wasn't like I could call him and say, hey, I just wanted to let, you know, I'm coming.

33:46

Or, you know, did I even really expect to see him.

33:50

I was, you know, You weren't sure if you're gonna see him?

33:52

No, no, but I I think I had maybe an

33:55

expectation of it or a preparing in my brain and in my heart.

33:59

What if I see him?

34:01

Like, what do I do?

34:02

I mean, it's been how long?

34:03

Oh, goodness, that...

34:05

What, 15 years probably?

34:07

Well, if it was 3 years before you got out.

34:10

Yeah.

34:11

Yeah, I got out in 20, you had 22.

34:14

Okay, but you had to have been in there serving

34:18

at least 20 something years.

34:20

That's what I'm saying.

34:21

So, um, I accidentally

34:24

happened upon him.

34:26

I mean, and he was a trustee.

34:27

Yeah, I'm walking around with a camera. just walking around and had some kind of a fold on.

34:31

You just sitting in the stands?

34:32

No, I wasn't in a stand.

34:33

As a matter of fact, um, I wonder if Brett was with us.

34:38

I can't remember now

34:39

I should have tried to find out before I came.

34:41

I don't remember.

34:42

He may have been.

34:43

I think he was with him.

34:44

He may have been with me.

34:45

He knew where I was at or something.

34:47

I can't remember.

34:48

But you see Kyle, but I saw him and he was like, just like somewhere.

34:52

Not like, you know, like all the others were like detained,

34:55

like I could see prisoners and I guess they have them in like sections or whatever where

34:58

they could see the public and stuff.

35:00

You know, and you see them behind the things and they were all the ones that

35:03

were probably there a while that you could trust and that they wouldn't

35:06

holler at the public coming to see the, the

35:09

rodeo, you know, he was just like, like one

35:12

of us kind of like, you know what I mean?

35:13

And I don't, it was just the weirdest thing.

35:15

Of course, it wouldn't have mattered how he was dressed.

35:17

I recognized him.

35:18

like, 0 my gosh.

35:19

I couldn't believe it.

35:21

And he was like, maybe he was expecting to see me or

35:24

maybe you were secretly looking around because you might have known I was going.

35:27

I just don't remember.

35:28

I asked, did you?

35:29

Yeah, I do remember now.

35:30

Yeah, when he came up to me and I hugged him because I told him, I said,

35:33

look, if you come into the rodeo, I'm, we have, just look for

35:36

the angle light booth, we sell, you know, we sell magazines.

35:40

Because we took a picture.

35:42

I forgot.

35:43

In front of them, a matter of fact, yeah, probably could find that picture with us there.

35:47

And and you was in a bit.

35:50

I said, is your mama here?

35:51

I was a nervous, you're right.

35:51

Yes, she's walking up.

35:53

It was the weirdest thing.

35:55

I mean, you know, how often do you go to a prison number one?

35:58

But not only that, all this backstory.

36:00

Yeah, and this, I didn't know what to expect.

36:03

I know what to do.

36:04

We didn't know what the thing.

36:05

I didn't know what to expect.

36:06

I didn't know what anybody else would think.

36:07

How would anybody else when I got home would receive that or not

36:11

even tell anybody that I went?

36:13

sure.

36:14

I don't understand that.

36:15

It's not weird now, but it was weird.

36:17

Oh my god, no, you did I.

36:19

don't even have to be there to know that.

36:20

Oh my god.

36:21

Yeah, it was just so great to see her.

36:23

And, uh, But he was real mild man or like, you

36:26

know, he think, the biggest thing he came out with is this,

36:29

you know, humility, like he's so humble.

36:31

He, you can, you know, it's written all over him and it's

36:34

hard for me to explain to others, you know?

36:36

And like I said, being receiving of his story, like you have to forgive.

36:40

You know, and like we teach the kids and too

36:44

good for drugs and we try to explain to others that your mind

36:47

and your brain is not fully developed until you're 25 years old.

36:50

So, you know, I'm not trying to make an excuse for anybody.

36:54

You know, and that's part of, you know, the story.

36:57

Like, you need to, you do know right from wrong once you hit the age of 10.

37:00

You know, but you have to forgive.

37:04

I mean, you can't just hold something against somebody for the rest of their life,

37:07

and who are we to make that decision?

37:09

And if the court of law allowed him to get out,

37:12

then obviously, you know, their rank is a little

37:15

higher than my opinion when it comes to someone.

37:17

Right, right.

37:18

And so he gets out.

37:20

And so I can understand now very clearly why.

37:22

Today, you want to ask him a couple of questions.

37:27

Right. in regards to what you're doing at St.

37:30

Bernard Parish, right?

37:31

But, but the, the weird story is that, for

37:35

this program, too good for drugs, about 2.5

37:39

years ago, I think it was.

37:41

Yeah, 2.5 years ago.

37:42

Um, maybe it was longer than that.

37:45

Maybe it was 3 years.

37:46

I think you had just, how long have you been out?

37:48

Um, going into my 4th year.

37:50

I think you were just out.

37:52

Yeah, but maybe 6 months, right?

37:54

Oh, I just got there.

37:55

Okay, so yeah, Sheriff Polman called me.

37:57

Okay, so 3.5 years ago.

37:59

Um, He's 1st out.

38:01

He's 1st out like 6 months at the time.

38:04

And I knew, I knew, because of course,

38:07

the chatter, I found out that he was out.

38:08

Maybe my son even told me.

38:09

But, um, we were having a

38:13

program for too good for drugs.

38:14

And um, we had a

38:17

day for the guest speakers to come, which was Sheriff's

38:20

home and coming, and I knew he had a gentleman that was going to speak there.

38:24

Joseph Landix.

38:25

Joseph Landix.

38:27

That's correct.

38:28

And I had no idea, and no one else did either.

38:31

Sheriff Connor just allowed this other guy to come.

38:35

But we didn't know in the program.

38:38

No, we didn't even know that there was another gentleman that was going to come with a joke.

38:41

Oh, he just thought it was Joe.

38:42

Oh, wow, and I'm there.

38:43

And I mean, it's the sheriff.

38:45

So obviously he didn't call us up and say, hey, would you mind?

38:47

I mean, he didn't really know if he was going to speak or not.

38:50

It didn't matter.

38:51

He was just newly out and it was a part of what the

38:54

sheriff wanted to do and I was okay with us.

38:56

It was very okay, you know?

38:57

And so I was there doing the

39:00

thing that I do and maybe, you know, setting up the monitor or whatever.

39:04

You know, introducing the sheriff

39:07

and, you know, making my way over to sit down and sit

39:11

down on a side and mind my business.

39:12

And, um, it was like a little foyer that

39:16

we would like kind of wait in and have the guest speakers

39:19

wait before we call them in to go on like.

39:22

kind of like that, you know?

39:23

And so I just kind of made my way to the side and um,

39:26

he was in that little waiting room there with Joe, I think.

39:30

I was with Joe and Joe.

39:32

I think sheriff, the sheriff was already speaking at this at this moment.

39:35

And so I went over there and then I

39:38

think it was almost time for Joe to be introduced to go out and speak.

39:41

And I went over there to go like, tell him,

39:44

okay, you know, you got like, you got a couple of minutes.

39:46

And so, um, I went over there and

39:50

I saw Kyle.

39:51

And I don't even know what to say.

39:55

I don't even know what to say, I thought.

39:58

Like, that was weird because I mean, it was just weird.

40:01

Like, I had no idea.

40:02

Yeah.

40:03

That I would ever see him.

40:04

That's a lightning boat.

40:06

Yeah, it was weird.

40:07

Like, I knew he was going to get out, but I mean, he wasn't going to go knock it off.

40:11

You come out and come to your gig, that's right.

40:14

And so from, you know, I

40:17

don't know how he got out there and spoke without any, you know, crazy

40:21

feelings.

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Oh, maybe he did, but I didn't know.

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But there was no way I could have did what he did.

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You know who else was in that audience?

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There's no way I could have did that.

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I was like, out of my mind.

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Judge Gorbity's daughter.

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No way.

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She doesn't care.

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And so she calls Judge Galbin and says, look who's the speaker today.

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Can you please?

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But I got to thank you.

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for doing his job.

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I mean, that was all of the weirdness.

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It's not weird.

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That's that's showing me here.

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Judge, yes.

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let me tell you, Judge Galbity did his job.

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Sheriff Pullman used to come to Angola and check on me.

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How many sheriffs is going to do that?

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You know, I mean, I work for sheriff art out here.

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He cares.

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And so I got two.

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Well, you know, I've got a few showers in my life today that

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care, and I'm grateful.

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Right, and that's these men.

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And these kids have that opportunity to have these men in their lives.

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Right.

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what's so impressive to me is that they're involved with your program

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to the extent that they are.

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And that is something that, man, we need more of

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that in all of our school community.

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And it's not just officials like that.

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I mean, I didn't get to really say it's a few other people too.

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Like maybe someone who owns a business, you

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know, that has a really, you know, unique story where they struggled throughout their life.

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They didn't go to prison or anything like that, but they struggled and

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they teach their, they, well, they're not teaching,

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but their message to the students is that just because I struggled,

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it didn't mean I had to be a victim or I didn't

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have to fall to drugs or to alcohol or I didn't

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have to go abuse people because I was a

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victim of divorce or, you know, domestic abuse and violence, you know?

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And that brings me to ask you, you know, as

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we wrapping up, um, what would you tell,

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um, your 14 or 15 year old selves?

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Um, I mean, to the audience, that 14 and

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15 year old, that's who we speaking to.

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If you could tell your 14, 15 year old self, anything.

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Um, You know, I know they want to have fun.

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I want to explore and they should, you know, but they're new in high school and.

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What would you tell them because these

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kids are subjected to a lot of things today.

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Social media, um, you know,

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outside influences.

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We talk about all of those things, not just drugs in the program, okay?

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The influences that they're up against.

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Like you said, that we didn't have to deal with in our day.

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You know, and just kind of knowing that stuff.

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And what you did and how you were 14 and 15.

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Right.

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Um, and, you know, you were behaving at the time.

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But what about if they're not behaving at 14

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and 15 because they're dealing with maybe the death of their daddy at

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14 instead of 18?

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Right.

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What advice can you give them to help them cope or not

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make the bad choices that you made?

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Learn to say no, number one, peer pressure is blinding.

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And let me tell you, peer pressure is a hard thing.

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And, you know, even though, you know, at 14 and

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15, you know, per se was on the right track, I was

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playing ball, making the grade, you know, at

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18, everything changed, and I did not have to do the

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things that I did, but it was out of selfishness.

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Listen, if you're going through anything at that age, and,

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and of course, you know, with the peer pressure and the internet,

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and you know, and everything that, that these, these young men

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and women are, you know, have access to.

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If you're caught up in that, talk

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to your counselor, talk to a pastor,

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don't hold it in.

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There's no reason.

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I held so much stuff in Desiree.

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and fill up that, you know, and I, it, it,

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it blew up like an atomic bomb instead

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of talking about it.

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And I had family.

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Not that everybody was listening, you know, and my parent,

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you know, my mom, you know, it was still, you know, it was just me and her.

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She didn't, you know, she didn't want to listen because she was

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trying to, you know, keep her life together.

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But that's why you have school counselors, you know.

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Hopefully you've got parents,

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but if you don't have parents that like I didn't have, you,

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you, a pastor, you know, someone who is uh,

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older that you know is walking the line.

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Uh, it could be a family friend.

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My advice is, please do not hold

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this in and stay in the dark because

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in the darkness is where everything happens.

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That's where destructive habits come, destructive

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modes come, and its end is destruction.

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You know, thank the Lord that I had, you know, prayfully

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you don't have to ever go down the road that I did.

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It was very effective for me.

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And I'm grateful that I got arrested.

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Prison became purifying, not punitive, but

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the Lord had grabbed a hold of me.

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You know, not everyone's born again, you know, I had a new heart.

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But for those who who have not received the Lord,

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I would have to tell them to

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please talk about it.

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You don't have to stay where you're at.

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There's, there's individuals that you can speak with.

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Even if it's in private to speak to the Lord.

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Spend time in prayer.

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If that's where you being drawn, praise

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God, if you're not being drawn that way, you have a counseling.

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I'm going to keep saying, you have a counselor at Shalmeh High,

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that you can speak with.

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You've got, you can go to the principal.

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You can go to a PE coach.

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You can go to a teacher.

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I had Cheryl Moler.

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I had Debbie Godey.

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These women loved me and stood by me.

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So talk about it.

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And really, Kyle, the thing about it is, is

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nobody hits a guarantee that the Lord's going to move in their lives.

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Absolutely, the stories that both of you and I have, so many stories.

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So many stories end up the absolute opposite way.

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And really destruction in Angola for life is just a terrible, terrible.

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That's right.

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And you know, that leads me to say this, and I don't even know if I've really shared this with you.

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That's right, but you know this.

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Bridget was a mercy.

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Meaning God had mercy and sent me through them front gates.

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How many of my friends didn't go to Angkol is in the graveyard?

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And if I'd have went straight to the graveyard, guess what I would have woke up in hell.

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Right, exactly.

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Exactly.

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So.

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Yep, yes.

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You have another, you have another question for Kyle?

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don't think so.

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Okay, that is fantastic.

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Well, look, I really, really appreciate both of you.

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Love y'all.

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The ministry that you have, Kyle, is so perfect.

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There's nobody that can talk to those guys at LPP

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like you can because of what you've been through.

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And then for Desiree, for you to just have a heart for

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these kids, clearly you have a heart to want to help these kids.

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And we need so many more people like you.

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That's what it's about getting involved.

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One of the problems we have here in America is

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that we are way too comfortable.

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Everybody wants to sit on their couch and watch Netflix and

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not be bothered with showing up to do things like this because why?

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You have to sacrifice your time.

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You have to go out your way.

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You have to have uncomfortable conversations.

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There's all kind of things that you have to do in order to make something like this work.

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So God bless you and your ministry.

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We're going to put this on our here we stand Facebook page.

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So what we would like to do is once

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we get this out sometime next week on the Facebook page.

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Please share this on your social medias,

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on your Twitter, on Facebook.

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And that way we can get to word about this program and

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more people can learn about it.

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So thank you guys so much for being here today.

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And I want to say one other thing.

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All right, here we stand conference this year.

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It's actually going to be on Reformation Day, which is October

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the 31st, which is on a Saturday.

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We'll have some upcoming podcast where

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we'll speak about the conference, but for right now, we're

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signing off here from deep in the heart of Central.

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Be careful going back to New Orleans.

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Kyle, you too.

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And we thank you for watching.

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God bless.

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God bless.

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Thank you for having us.

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Thank you.